Obama and Associates are lashing out against anyone who didn't vote for him. He is worse than Nixon about pursuing such "enemies". Obama will surpass Nixon as the worst crook to occupy the oval office.
They should really spend their efforts on fixing their economic blunders that have destroyed our economy.
I agree. Every time Armstrong has participated, he has been the target of the most drug testing of any particpant, and he's always clean. For some reason that just bothers people beyond compare. It ridiculous that we have yet another prosecutor looking to make a name for himself. I guess he didn't get enough recognition in college.
Vulcan One-Bonds did test positive, Bonds said he didn't knowingly take drugs. That is why he was ostracised. I doubt the investigation will ever be completed and he is cleared. Something he has to live with.
Lance has passed every drug test imaginable, and has voluntarily given tissue samples for future testing. That sounds like someone who has nothing to hide. Just my opinion.
Armstrong is probably the most tested athlete in history and he has never tested positive. This should tell you something. Landis is just trying to make himself look a little less bad by dragging Armstrong and the old Postal Service team down. This is a sad attempt by a very sad individual to drag down one of the best cyclists we have seen. It is shame that Landis and now LeMond are doing this. I hope that when this is over and Armstrong is cleared that he brings a civil suit against Landis and LeMond to make sure they remain penniless for the rest of their lives.
Greg Lemond used to be a sports hero to me....not any more. He's a bitter ex-champion who'll always be jealous of "Lance's Seven in a row" and who'll do anything for publicity.
Sure, Landis is a liar who is just trying to drag down Lance, LeMond is a liar just trying to drag down Lance, the french lab at which Armstrong's blood from the 1999 Tour tested positive for EPO was just trying to drag down Lance, the personal assistant who found steroids in Armstrong's home is just trying to drag down Lance, the various other individuals who have made similar claims are also just trying to drag down Lance. I'm sure the federal prosecutors are also merely pursuing personal vendettas against Lance.
It's a well-known fact that Armstrong is practically a mutant....his VO2 (Volume of Oxygen in the bloodstream) levels are FAR above what is normal for a man of his build and athletic talent. This has been tested repeatedly...he's the perfect biker, just like Phelps is the perfect swimmer. He won all those times because he earned it, not because he had doped.
Lets also remember this is a guy that has already faced down death from cancer. I am not sure if I would believe he would be abusing his body with drugs that may lead him down that path again. That combined with the plethora of test results that show him to be clean during the races, leads me to think it is mostly BS coming from individuals caught red handed.
Armstrong has shown that he is not a very good human on many well documented occasions.
So in your opinion he isn't a very good human being, so that means he is guilty of doping. That is quite a stretch. I'm glad that our criminal justice system deems you to be innocent until proven guilty, and not guilty by ones opinion. I agree with you Spike.
Time will tell and if true, another super hero will be humiliated. Hopefully that will not be the case. He should be given the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise.
Didn't Greg LeMond race before testing was as aggressive as it is now. Didn't, or doesn't, he still have the record for the fastest time trial ever. He did that without drugs too!
54.545 kph over 24.5km - fastest individual time trial (Greg LeMond, 1989) He must be so much better than all of today's cyclists. Cycling wasn't as big as it is now and the money and fame weren't there for Greg... sour grapes? He still won't become as big as he thinks he should be.
Thousands of drug tests - and the biking organizations test as aggressively as do the Olympics. Thousands of drug tests, not one single positive.
Landis and LeMond are both jealous and petty. LeMond because Armstrong made everybody forget about him(not hard to do - he's a total jerk), and Landis because he was busted.
True. They cannot get over Armstrong's sustained strength, even after a bout with cancer. It seems like extreme harassment and character assassination. When will it end?
LeMond couldn't do what Armstrong has done, Landis couldn't even come close. Sour grapes on Landis' part, pandering to the sore loser French on LeMond's part. The French officials have been dragging out this dead horse for years and years, they can't handle not having the all-time best winner from their country. It is that simple.
Greg LeMond has a vested interest in attacking Armstrong; prior to Armstrong's success LeMond was the only American to have ever won the Tour and this position afforded LeMond quick financial gain, but when Armstrong rose to prominence, interest in LeMond soon wained as did LeMond's fortunes.
The fact that LeMond would be taking such a hard line position prior to his involvement in court proceedings will taint any testimony LeMond may offer in support of the allegations.
I personally believe LeMond is the greatest American cyclist ever, but I can not see how the U.S. Courts will be able to find evidence to support these accusations when you consider the level of testing performed on Armstrong throughout his career - 12 years of results trumps two days of testimony.
What this article totally fails to mention is that LeMond and Armstrong effectively hate each other. Subpoena or not - LeMond will never, ever say nice things about Armstrong.
Exactly right Bill. LeMond got squished by lance both in terms of Tour victories AND in business. And LeMond himself makes no claim that he has any personal knowledge. Get a load of his quotes JUST IN THIS ARTICLE!
Three-time Tour de France winner Greg LeMond predicts that the federal drug investigation will bring about the downfall of seven-time winner Lance Armstrong, the French newspaper Journal Du Dimanche reported Sunday.
LM: "Up until now, he has achieved great things, if you consider he did it fairly, which I don't believe," "For him, it's the beginning of the end."
DJ: keyword is "believe"
GL: "Given everything that he has been accused of recently, I'm even surprised he decided to race the Tour. I don't know how he's managed to stay concentrated on the race. It will be interesting to see if he collaborates with the investigation."
DJ: "Everything he has been accused" is based on the statements of a proven pathalogical liar (Landis) and two nutty dudes (Landis AND LeMond). Lemond was certainly one of the great cyclists of all time, but he's a nutty butter fruitcake crybaby soreloser.
GL: "The federal investigation is very serious, more than people believe,"
DJ: And Greggy Eggy would like it to be as serious as possible so he sensationalizes it in the media with inuendo and crybaby whackiness.
GL: LeMond told the Journal Du Dimanche that he believes LeMond and that Landis's friends have been threatened by Armstrong. "Listen, Landis spoke out because Armstrong was going after him. He made threats against his (Landis's) friends,"
DJ: Now Greggy Girlyman, how do you know why Crazyboy Floyd spoke out (unelss you are collaborating with him). And which friends have been threatened and what proof do you have? Tsk, tsk. Googy Girl Greggy.
GL: "I believe Landis because everything he's said, I've already heard. There's a major difference between a guy like Ivan Basso (who was banned for two years for doping) and Armstrong. Basso doesn't threaten people! "When it comes to manipulating people, Armstrong is the undisputed champion."
DJ: A few of points here: First, Greggy so willing to believe Floyd who is a proven (two year!) LIAR! Did Armstrong badger CrazyBoy into lieing? Second, another difference between Armstrong and Basso is that BASSO TESTED POSITIVE FOR DOPING! -Armstrong hasn't - and he's arguably the most tested athlete on the planet. Third, didn't GrapeShaped Greggy say that Armstrong threatened people? So why would Lance then manipulate the threatened victims? Weren't the threats sufficient?
Sounds a lot like sour grapes if you ask me. I don't know if Armstrong ever used illegal drugs, but so far it hasn't been proven that he did. Until there's evidence to the contrary, Armstrong deserves the benefit of the doubt.
As for the other two idiots in this slanderous affair, they are doing more to tarnish their own already tarnished reputations by trying to put the spotlight on Armstrong. So far they haven't been able to prove anything, but my guess is they will continue to do so because they have nothing to lose.
Eh. I really do not care if he doped. Half of them do. It is still a marvelous sport to watch. These are paid sports slaves. Just like any other professional sport...it is for our entertainment. I am serious skier/biker/fu(ker...I want Lance in the octagon.
I don't believe for a second that Armstrong doped. How can thousands of drug tests be wrong? Greg LeMond is a bitter has-been who lost all his money in dumb investments. Landis is a proven liar.
Besides that, though, I'm curious on what authority a US investigator can investigate alleged deeds (by anybody) that were committed in another country, and how that can lead to prosecution by the US. I don't understand what statutory authority they have.
Where is the evidence that Lance Cheated or tested positive for drugs? You may not like him, and that's OK, however, he has not been convicted of anything. Landis was caught cheating. Lemond will always be the first American to win the tour, he should be proud of that feat.
Show us one shred of credible evidence that he did in fact cheat, and I'll be right there with you
You can't, though. Because it doesn't exist. But people want to think that someone so successful can't possibly have done it on his own. He has accomplished so much more that people can't believe he's real.
I'm not sure if Armstrong has done anything or not - I would have thought he'd have been caught if he had been, since he's been tested to much over the years. He'll always have to live with the balance of supporters and doubters, and there always will be both.
However, I never understood LeMond sticking his nose in this - even before. LeMond went from the past feel good story to the guy who comes across as the jealous jerk. Doesn't mean Armstrong didn't threaten him, but one wonders why he got involved in the first place.
Surprising this is coming up now - Armstrong is having a horrific Tour. Age has finally caught him when the field couldn't, I guess. I can't imagine he'll come back again after this.
Chris has it right about Lance being a mutant. Not only does he have a high VO2 Max, but his LT (lactacte threshold) is off the charts. In other words, he doesn't feel the burn the rest of us mortals do. He has done something superhuman because he is superhuman.
That is true of most, if not all, tour winners. The mishaps, flats, and crashes(one of them @60 kmh) probably would have kept any rider of the podium. I still think he could be very competitive next year...if that happens.
Drugs were rampant in Lemond's day he never tested positive. Drugs were rampant in Armstrong's and he never tested positive even after being continually tested.
Landis and Lemond what is their game are they trying to ruin the sport? Cycling does all they can and are catching the cheats. Give it a rest.
It's so sad. I used to admitre Greg. Now, he's allied himself with an admitted cheat and liar (Landis). He makes these claims against Armstrong and yet refuses to name his sources or otherwise back them up. Are we just supposed to take him at his word?
If someone has any evidence against Lance, then reveal it - otherwise shut the f*ck up. Greg, get a clue.
Obama and Associates are lashing out against anyone who didn't vote for him. He is worse than Nixon about pursuing such "enemies". Obama will surpass Nixon as the worst crook to occupy the oval office.
They should really spend their efforts on fixing their economic blunders that have destroyed our economy.
I think you posted from the wrong article, there Rhastuss, this one's about Lance Armstrong, the Tour de France and accusations of doping.
Either that, or you have serious comprehension and assorted other issues and should seek counseling.
You need to get a life, Rhastuss.
Take a deep breath Rhastuss! That will help your blood pressure.
Landis is just jealous of Armstrong and wants to drag him down with him.
Tough luck Landis. If you didn't drug up maybe you could have won that tour legitimately, we'll never know.
I agree. Every time Armstrong has participated, he has been the target of the most drug testing of any particpant, and he's always clean. For some reason that just bothers people beyond compare. It ridiculous that we have yet another prosecutor looking to make a name for himself. I guess he didn't get enough recognition in college.
I think Rudy said it all, look at the testing records, Armstrong has been tested far more than any other racer and they haven't found a thing.
Until they do catch him doing something illegal, it is all hear say and that is not good enough!
I agree with you guys, just wondering though if you felt the same about Barry Bonds?
LeMond and Landis, sore losers!
Vulcan One-Bonds did test positive, Bonds said he didn't knowingly take drugs. That is why he was ostracised.
I doubt the investigation will ever be completed and he is cleared. Something he has to live with.
Lance has passed every drug test imaginable, and has voluntarily given tissue samples for future testing. That sounds like someone who has nothing to hide. Just my opinion.
Armstrong is probably the most tested athlete in history and he has never tested positive. This should tell you something. Landis is just trying to make himself look a little less bad by dragging Armstrong and the old Postal Service team down. This is a sad attempt by a very sad individual to drag down one of the best cyclists we have seen. It is shame that Landis and now LeMond are doing this. I hope that when this is over and Armstrong is cleared that he brings a civil suit against Landis and LeMond to make sure they remain penniless for the rest of their lives.
Two sore losers not even worth the time of day.
Anybody that would call LeMond a sore loser is obviously clueless.
Greg Lemond used to be a sports hero to me....not any more. He's a bitter ex-champion who'll always be jealous of "Lance's Seven in a row" and who'll do anything for publicity.
Sure, Landis is a liar who is just trying to drag down Lance, LeMond is a liar just trying to drag down Lance, the french lab at which Armstrong's blood from the 1999 Tour tested positive for EPO was just trying to drag down Lance, the personal assistant who found steroids in Armstrong's home is just trying to drag down Lance, the various other individuals who have made similar claims are also just trying to drag down Lance. I'm sure the federal prosecutors are also merely pursuing personal vendettas against Lance.
It's a well-known fact that Armstrong is practically a mutant....his VO2 (Volume of Oxygen in the bloodstream) levels are FAR above what is normal for a man of his build and athletic talent. This has been tested repeatedly...he's the perfect biker, just like Phelps is the perfect swimmer. He won all those times because he earned it, not because he had doped.
Chris,
Well said!
Lets also remember this is a guy that has already faced down death from cancer. I am not sure if I would believe he would be abusing his body with drugs that may lead him down that path again. That combined with the plethora of test results that show him to be clean during the races, leads me to think it is mostly BS coming from individuals caught red handed.
Again, I agree but did you feel the same about Barry Bonds?
Didn't Bonds admit rubbing some kind of cream on himself?
Armstrong has shown that he is not a very good human on many well documented occasions.
Tha is no excuse to not proof-read the article. Landis and LeMond are interchangable?
Logic r not checked in spellchecker.
Armstong still guilty.
"...Armstong still guilty."
Of what?
You better hope you never go on trial, and have jurors like yourself. Disregard all the evidence, and convict on rumours.
Dirtybirdie
So in your opinion he isn't a very good human being, so that means he is guilty of doping. That is quite a stretch. I'm glad that our criminal justice system deems you to be innocent until proven guilty, and not guilty by ones opinion.
I agree with you Spike.
Dirtybirdie needs to "man up" and explain his lapse into cretinism and mysteria.
Time will tell and if true, another super hero will be humiliated. Hopefully that will not be the case. He should be given the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise.
Didn't Greg LeMond race before testing was as aggressive as it is now. Didn't, or doesn't, he still have the record for the fastest time trial ever. He did that without drugs too!
And what's with his wife?
"We are overjoyed," LeMond's wife, Kathy, told the newspaper. "I hope the truth will come out."
What's her stake in this? Did Armstrong make fun of her, or is she just being a rotten apple?
Thousands of drug tests - and the biking organizations test as aggressively as do the Olympics. Thousands of drug tests, not one single positive.
Landis and LeMond are both jealous and petty. LeMond because Armstrong made everybody forget about him(not hard to do - he's a total jerk), and Landis because he was busted.
The French and Greg will never give up attacking Lance. Sourer grapes..
True. They cannot get over Armstrong's sustained strength, even after a bout with cancer. It seems like extreme harassment and character assassination. When will it end?
LeMond is a bitter, old has-been.
LeMond couldn't do what Armstrong has done, Landis couldn't even come close. Sour grapes on Landis' part, pandering to the sore loser French on LeMond's part. The French officials have been dragging out this dead horse for years and years, they can't handle not having the all-time best winner from their country. It is that simple.
Greg LeMond has a vested interest in attacking Armstrong; prior to Armstrong's success LeMond was the only American to have ever won the Tour and this position afforded LeMond quick financial gain, but when Armstrong rose to prominence, interest in LeMond soon wained as did LeMond's fortunes.
The fact that LeMond would be taking such a hard line position prior to his involvement in court proceedings will taint any testimony LeMond may offer in support of the allegations.
I personally believe LeMond is the greatest American cyclist ever, but I can not see how the U.S. Courts will be able to find evidence to support these accusations when you consider the level of testing performed on Armstrong throughout his career - 12 years of results trumps two days of testimony.
Lemond the greatest American cyclist? Disagree there. Otherwise, a good comment.
What this article totally fails to mention is that LeMond and Armstrong effectively hate each other. Subpoena or not - LeMond will never, ever say nice things about Armstrong.
Exactly right Bill. LeMond got squished by lance both in terms of Tour victories AND in business. And LeMond himself makes no claim that he has any personal knowledge. Get a load of his quotes JUST IN THIS ARTICLE!
Three-time Tour de France winner Greg LeMond predicts that the federal drug investigation will bring about the downfall of seven-time winner Lance Armstrong, the French newspaper Journal Du Dimanche reported Sunday.
LM: "Up until now, he has achieved great things, if you consider he did it fairly, which I don't believe," "For him, it's the beginning of the end."
DJ: keyword is "believe"
GL: "Given everything that he has been accused of recently, I'm even surprised he decided to race the Tour. I don't know how he's managed to stay concentrated on the race. It will be interesting to see if he collaborates with the investigation."
DJ: "Everything he has been accused" is based on the statements of a proven pathalogical liar (Landis) and two nutty dudes (Landis AND LeMond). Lemond was certainly one of the great cyclists of all time, but he's a nutty butter fruitcake crybaby soreloser.
GL: "The federal investigation is very serious, more than people believe,"
DJ: And Greggy Eggy would like it to be as serious as possible so he sensationalizes it in the media with inuendo and crybaby whackiness.
GL: LeMond told the Journal Du Dimanche that he believes LeMond and that Landis's friends have been threatened by Armstrong. "Listen, Landis spoke out because Armstrong was going after him. He made threats against his (Landis's) friends,"
DJ: Now Greggy Girlyman, how do you know why Crazyboy Floyd spoke out (unelss you are collaborating with him). And which friends have been threatened and what proof do you have? Tsk, tsk. Googy Girl Greggy.
GL: "I believe Landis because everything he's said, I've already heard. There's a major difference between a guy like Ivan Basso (who was banned for two years for doping) and Armstrong. Basso doesn't threaten people! "When it comes to manipulating people, Armstrong is the undisputed champion."
DJ: A few of points here: First, Greggy so willing to believe Floyd who is a proven (two year!) LIAR! Did Armstrong badger CrazyBoy into lieing? Second, another difference between Armstrong and Basso is that BASSO TESTED POSITIVE FOR DOPING! -Armstrong hasn't - and he's arguably the most tested athlete on the planet. Third, didn't GrapeShaped Greggy say that Armstrong threatened people? So why would Lance then manipulate the threatened victims? Weren't the threats sufficient?
LeMond's just a weeny and a sore loser and Landis is a PROVEN (hello!) LIAR and they are both Whackadoodles! But I know that some of you Lance Bashers don't believe...so I invite you to read CrazyBoy Floyd's emails yourself...just visit http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/team-radioshack-reveal-further-emails-from-landis
Lemond is a coward. His soul mission the last few years seems to have been to kneecap Armstrong.
Now he has Landis walking the plank. I hope Armstrong remains in the clear but the forces aligned against him are formidable and the deck is stacked.
Sounds a lot like sour grapes if you ask me. I don't know if Armstrong ever used illegal drugs, but so far it hasn't been proven that he did. Until there's evidence to the contrary, Armstrong deserves the benefit of the doubt.
As for the other two idiots in this slanderous affair, they are doing more to tarnish their own already tarnished reputations by trying to put the spotlight on Armstrong. So far they haven't been able to prove anything, but my guess is they will continue to do so because they have nothing to lose.
Eh. I really do not care if he doped. Half of them do. It is still a marvelous sport to watch. These are paid sports slaves. Just like any other professional sport...it is for our entertainment. I am serious skier/biker/fu(ker...I want Lance in the octagon.
Lemond comes across as someone who is jealous of Armstrong's success. Grow up Greg. You are tarnishing your own image
I don't believe for a second that Armstrong doped. How can thousands of drug tests be wrong? Greg LeMond is a bitter has-been who lost all his money in dumb investments. Landis is a proven liar.
Besides that, though, I'm curious on what authority a US investigator can investigate alleged deeds (by anybody) that were committed in another country, and how that can lead to prosecution by the US. I don't understand what statutory authority they have.
Great!!!
Let the cheater Lance rot.
Where is the evidence that Lance Cheated or tested positive for drugs? You may not like him, and that's OK, however, he has not been convicted of anything. Landis was caught cheating. Lemond will always be the first American to win the tour, he should be proud of that feat.
Show us one shred of credible evidence that he did in fact cheat, and I'll be right there with you
You can't, though. Because it doesn't exist. But people want to think that someone so successful can't possibly have done it on his own. He has accomplished so much more that people can't believe he's real.
The only thing Lance cheated was death from cancer. One thousand drug tests later and bozos still like to shoot their mouth about it.
I'm not sure if Armstrong has done anything or not - I would have thought he'd have been caught if he had been, since he's been tested to much over the years. He'll always have to live with the balance of supporters and doubters, and there always will be both.
However, I never understood LeMond sticking his nose in this - even before. LeMond went from the past feel good story to the guy who comes across as the jealous jerk. Doesn't mean Armstrong didn't threaten him, but one wonders why he got involved in the first place.
Surprising this is coming up now - Armstrong is having a horrific Tour. Age has finally caught him when the field couldn't, I guess. I can't imagine he'll come back again after this.
Chris has it right about Lance being a mutant. Not only does he have a high VO2 Max, but his LT (lactacte threshold) is off the charts. In other words, he doesn't feel the burn the rest of us mortals do. He has done something superhuman because he is superhuman.
Also, Lance was always paced by remarkable athletes who kept him out of wind and trouble. This year that is not the case.
That is true of most, if not all, tour winners. The mishaps, flats, and crashes(one of them @60 kmh) probably would have kept any rider of the podium. I still think he could be very competitive next year...if that happens.
Drugs were rampant in Lemond's day he never tested positive. Drugs were rampant in Armstrong's and he never tested positive even after being continually tested.
Landis and Lemond what is their game are they trying to ruin the sport? Cycling does all they can and are catching the cheats. Give it a rest.
L.A. Just sue the f#*% out of these @!$%#S!!
It's so sad. I used to admitre Greg. Now, he's allied himself with an admitted cheat and liar (Landis). He makes these claims against Armstrong and yet refuses to name his sources or otherwise back them up. Are we just supposed to take him at his word?
If someone has any evidence against Lance, then reveal it - otherwise shut the f*ck up. Greg, get a clue.