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I'd love to see the Pirates vs the Royals in the World Series, or the Indians vs the Nationals.
Even if you're from New York, Boston, Philadelphia or LA., you have to admit it get's boring seeing the same few teams most years.
Nice thougt but you'd be the only one watching and therein is the problem. TV doesn't want the Pirates vs the Royals in a WS. They want the Dodgers vs the Yanks.
I disagree Bernie - I think many people would feel the same way as dman regarding this. I too get so sick and tired of the same teams over and over.
Kinda like I got sooo sick and tired of Tiger Woods. Let someone else take the lead. Yeah, the guy plays well but it gets old.
NOBODY needs mega-million dollar contracts. NOBODY. Make the game affordable again for the average Joe.
All you small team small market fleebs should spend the money that the luxury tax brings to your greedy slimey money grubbing owners instead of stuffing it in their pockets. I'm against any sort of salary cap in MLB, it will destroy the game as it has with the NFL and NBA. The minute they instatute a salary cap, is the very last time I will ever watch or attend a game, period. I just think the ones at newsvine posing these questions are New York haters that are jealous of our quality of life here in New York... and they should all watch their families get ebola and suffer until the very end!
Great New York Team as usual. Padres doing okay with low rent players-probably won't be going to the series, but fun to watch--probably will trade them when they get too expensive.
Very classy to wish ebola on a family.
BJs65-634377 - I sure hope you don't run a business! LOL! Even though the public will pay $10 for the item, sell it for $5.00 so the "average Joe" can afford it! LOL!
I'd love to drive a Lambourghini, but I flat can't afford it. Should Lambo lower their prices so people like me can afford one? Of course not! The choices I made in life have put me where I am and in the income bracket that I am today. If I can't afford the car I want, that's my fault...guess I should have made better choices.
I just think the ones at newsvine posing these questions are New York haters that are jealous of our quality of life here in New York... and they should all watch their families get ebola and suffer until the very end!
...and reading your post one wonders, why would anybody hate New York?
Nothing in sports is worth wishing the Ebola virus on anybody.
Moving back on subject, I think the reason a lot people don't watch the final championship games in most sports is because the playoffs are so !#@$ long. In basketball, you play an 82 game season to eliminate about half the teams. This year, both the Celtics and the Lakers had to go through 3 or 4 series before the finals. By the time the the seventh game of the finals was played, the only people outside of Boston or L.A. watching the game were probably the wives and families of some of the players.
If they cut this down to just 3 series, meaning 2 eastern conference semi-finals and one championship round, the games might have more meaning.
Nissan, I have a choice. I can be stupid enough to pay for over priced tickets - or I can spend my money on something that actually gives me the value for the dollar.
We "Average Joes" have more power than we realize.
Go right ahead and spend your money as you are. Don't come crying to me when you lose your job and can no longer afford your spendthrift lifestyle.
They not only need a cap, they need a cut in salaries all around and Congress needs to remove the anti-trust legislation Major League Baseball enjoys. I have not seen a game in over thirty years.
The so-called luxury-tax that allows the bottom feeders to sponge off the prolifigate teams and and use that "gift" to pad their bottom line without actually using it to bolster their payrolls is also stupid and just the type short-sighted idiocy we have all come to expect from Commisioner Selig.
Actually I think the real answer is to pool all media money including local radio and TV into one fund that is divied up to all markets equally.
The description of revenue sharing that was given is NOT what is actually happening. The Yankees keep every cent that they get from YES, from Fox, ESPN, etc. The Rays get to keep every cent of their local media contracts, The same is true of every team. And don't for as little as one second think that the local media revenue in, say KC, is anywhere close to what the Cubs, the Mariners, etc get.
THe current so-called "revenue sharing" plan is a joke.
They do share Fox and ESPN, YES is owned by the Yankees so they are entitled to every cent. I agree KC has no chance there and is one of the few teams that is left out in the cold but then again the unbalanced schedule hurts KC as well. AS far as the current revenue sharing being a joke I have to disagree there are too many owners that do not want to spend a dime on their team and even with a salary cap would continue to stick it to their fans, Remember when George bought the Yankees from CBS for $10 million they were a losing team in an old outdated stadium and he turned it into a $1.2 billion dollar empire, why shouldn't he be allowed to spend what he wants as long as the team can generate the revenue to pay for it. On top of that it remember there are 8 other professional sports teams in New York for the Yankees to compete with.
Yes! No human being needs to be paid 20 gahunkazillion dollars to play a game, no matter how big his ego! We all love baseball and everything associated with it -- except bad calls at first base or home plate -- but player salaries are simply obscene for the most part. Ticket prices are out of sight, and the cost of a weekend at the ball park is climbing out of the range of many fans. Baseball could set an example of fiscal restraint and impose a reasonable hard cap, and stick to it. If the player objects, I'm sure he can find a job shilling overseas-made athletic shoes or cars or something.
Is it any different then the millions an actor gets for a movie, or the millions that a singer or musician get in a record contract? Baseball salaries if you actually take a look at aren't all because of the Yankees. If you go back to 1995 after the strike the owners all decided to remain fiscally responsible at the urging of the owners rep. Jerry Reisendorf the owner of the White Sox who then turned around and threw $55 million at Albert Belle and then it got out of hand when the Dodgers went over the $100 million mark for Kevin Brown and then totally absurd when Tom Hicks of the Rangers shelled out $250 million for A-Rod each time these bars were set the players looked at their numbers and felt they were worth more. But in reality ticket proces are still in line with other forms of entertainment. A day even at Yankee Stadium is on line with Broadway Shows, a day at 6 Flags or Disney and less then a trip to a Football or Basketball game. By the way at Yankee Stadium bleacher seats start at $5.00 and grandstand seats start at $20 not a bad bargain.
Do not delude yourself into believing that ticket prices will go down if there is a salary cap. Ticket and concession prices will stay right where they are. A salary cap will shift a huge portion of revenue from the players, who are the ones out on the field every day to the owners, who watch games from an air conditioned luxury box whist drinking high-end liquor. The fan will still be paying high ticket prices, buying $15 hot dogs and drinking $10 beer because that is what the market will bear.
Well then whose fault is it then for these high ticket prices? Hmm? THE FANS.
They are dumb enough to pay those prices. Simply not go until prices are reduced is what needs to be done.
As long as there is a salary floor,bring on the hard cap.Agree with electronic strike zones- Umps are calling games so far apart,it makes you wonder how much they bet on a team.
If the yanks don't allow this, put about 6 more teams in NYC, so the empire doesn't have such an unfair advantage.
I agree there needs to be a floor if you put a cap in place and I agree the Umpires are getting bad but I wonder how much of that has to do with the fact you can no longer argue a ball or strike call and the fact with HD wecan see it better. I also feel the umpire crew run by Joe West has an ulterior motive for the way they want to control a game especially Angel Hernandez the worst of all umpires when he is behind the plate I turn off the game no matter who is playing, they forget we don't pay to see the umpires we come to see the players. But on your other comment adding more teams to the NYC area actually when MLB was looking for a home for the Expos Northern NJ and the NYC area was proven to be able to support more teams then the Yankees and Mets but if you added more teams it would hurt the Mets and a lot of minor league teams before the Yankees even noticed any drop in attendance. There are millions of people in the NY/NJ area that are will never drive into NY unless they can go on a once a year bus trip to a stadium. Good reason the Lakewood Blue Claws ( Philadelphis Single A) do very well and the Trenton Thunder ( NYY Double A) and the Brooklyn Cyclones ( Mets Single A) and Staten Island Yankees ( NYY Single A) do well when it comes to attendance. The Trenton Thunder usually sell out so yes the NYC area can handle more teams but the Yankees would barely feel it.
To start off with Paddy, Where have you been the last 10 years, the Yankees won one world series since 2000, got knocked out by teams like Cleveland and missed the post season in 2008. The Yankees spending is good for baseball, the Yankees average over 40000 a game and have the highest road attendance of any team. What baseball needs is to go back to a balanced schedule. Over the last 10 years two small market teams Florida and Arizona won, the Angels who are there every year won once, the Red Sox who are there every year won twice, and then the White Sox, Cardinals and Phillies once each. How about all those years in the 90's that Atlanta was there every year, and lets not forget the Twins who are there just about every year. So why is only the Yankees you have a problem with? I have a bigger problem with owners that don't want to spend and live off revenue sharing and the salary tax. Even with a salary cap there are teams that will never spend, shy should they if the wealthier teams pay their bills. And oh yes the unbalanced schedule if you looked at Detroits numbers against the east and west compared with the Twins there was a good chance the Tigers would have won the Central easily. Now to address Kevin the Boston fan, I am sure you don't mind seeing the Red Sox make it each year otherwise why even follow the team but to address the post season whining lets look at the teams that made the post season the last 10 years. Florida, Atlanta, Houston, San Diego, Mets, Yankees, Phills, Dodgers, Angels, Twins,Red Sox, Rockies, Cubs, Cardinals, Rays, White Sox, Brewers, Indians, Diamondbacks, Tigers, Giants, Rangers, Mariners and the A's. Yep the same teams every year 24 out of 30. Oh yes in those 10 years 2000 - 2009 the big spending Yankees won twice. Everyone stop whining a salary cap can never work unless there are owners that are willing to spend. Lets not forget the richest of all owners, may he rest in peace, was ready to contract his team back to baseball despite the fact that even with a manageable payroll contends almost every year, I am speaking of the Twins. Don't kid yourselves into thinking that other teams can't afford to spend they can but why should they if they can live off the road attendance of the teams that do spend, revenue sharing and salary taxes of the teams that do spend. Spending big never guarantees a win nor does a small salary preclude you from contending. The best example was the Marlins under Girardi, he had a team that was comprised of mostly league minimum players and kept the Marlins in it a good part of the season until Jeff Loria a Steinbrenner wanna be without the deep pockets decided he wanted prove he was the boss and got in the way.
Bottom line is the higher the payroll the higher the odds of making the playoffs. You are basing your facts off of winning the World Series, how about the fact that the Yankees have been in the playoffs about 14 of the past 15 years and during that time period have been the highest payroll team every year. Its all about making the playoffs than its anyones games. Now for the Red Sox, they had nothing until they picked up free agents and blew their payroll up to 100million for their WS and than paid more for folks like Beckett to gain their next one. Its been the Red Sox and Yankees in the playoffs from the East for the past decade more or less. Sure the Rays slipped in but when ya stink for so long, sooner or later all the #1 draft picks should get ya somewhere unless Management stinks too. Sure some owners are not going to spend but you need to remember it is a business and practicially any other team who would spend 200million a year on payroll would be almost 100million a year loss, last year most MLB teams lost $. Sure some orginizations like the Twins are good but they are close to max payroll close to 100million. Every year I look at the top 10 salaried teams, pick 3 in each division of each league and than 2 surprises with lower payrolls and I get pretty close on who makes it. If the Yankees are that good of an orginization lets see them make the playoffs with half their payroll. There are no guarantees in sports but the facts are facts and the numbers show that the odds are in the favor to the teams with higher payrolls making the playoffs.
The Yankees and several other teams have repeated inculding the Twins so it isn't only the big market Yankees.
The reason the big clubs have more money is because they have more fans that spend more money. Who wants to watch Pittsburgh in the World Series? A handful of fans at most... The lack of a hard salary cap is good for baseball, but perhaps forcing the hand of small market clubs to use their revenue sharing dollars in a more productive manner would be useful.
More parity could actually be bad for baseball... if the Yankees become an average baseball team do you think fans will still pack the house on road games? You can see thousands of empty seats at a lot of ballparks, but when the Red Sox or Yankees visit, it's a packed house. More parity, means more mediocrity, which means less fans.
Anthony that is a very good point but from the other side, in order to be a commodity in NY you have to compete with alot of other forms of entertainment as well as 8 other professional sports teams including another professional baseball team. It is still about building on an investment and just as any other business or form of entertainment you have to invest in your product to make money. Buying players does not gaurantee a World Series look back at 2005 and 2006 the roster were stacked and they never made it out of the first round, in 2008 again with a big payroll they never made the playoffs but in each of those years they did sell tickets and that is the name of the game. Look back through the early to mid 1980's rosters with names like Winfield, Mattingly and Henderson in pinstripes they never even made the post seasonWhen George bought the Yankees I believe they were averaging 14000 a game now they average 42000 a game and getting to the stadium is no picnic especially if you drive in so yes the Yankees instead of living off other teams and staying complacent invested and built an empire.
Raise your hand if you are all for an MLB salary cap, but in all other areas you religiously defend the sanctity of free market capitalism.
I understand what your saying, however we want sports to be sports and not a business. Capitalism in business is good, but when the playing fields are swayed towards the teams with higher payrolls (higher payrolls=higher skilled players) in sports its a bit different. The facts are the odds of making the playoffs increase when the payroll is higher, its fact and documented. The Yankees would not have 25 WS championships if not for being the highest payroll team most of those years.
UAW most of the Yankees World Series Victories come from a time before free agency and since that time very few were won with big free agents. Most of the WS teams were built with trades and retaining their own players. !996 through 2000 were teams put together through great trades and not letting their own players walk not by buying alot of other big names.
Remember when George bought the Yanks..he had to pay for tthem to be on TV. he built the Yanks up with good marketing. then bought players with revenue he made from marketing his team..other owners should look to see how George did this. What baseball needs to do is get rid of the DH.
Good idea but still not going to generate anywhere near the amount of $ in small market areas like KC who only has a few million folks. Less people, less demand, less demand means lower prices, lower prices means less revenue, less revenue means lower profits, lower profits means lower payroll, lower payroll means lower talent, lower talent generally (i did say generally) means lower winning percentages and even if a team becomes competitive the ability to keep the talent becomes a drain to keep other talent or aquire more talent and sustain winning. Other sports have addressed salary, its time BB does as its turned off many.
Hey Anthony, One of the lowest rated World Series ever was the Yankees & the Stinkin Mets. Nobody wants to watch two teams that stole all their players from other teams. I think people want watch great players that are developed by and stay with there teams. The Cincinnati vs Oakland world series had much better ratings. I didn't watch one pitch of the all NY series.
Newsflash. As a 20-something sports fan, the one sport I NEVER watch is baseball. It's a boring game and the slow pace, combined with repeated buying of championships kills it for anyone with a brain. Of all my friends, NOT ONE watches baseball.
If you want baseball to die with all you old fogies that like the status-quo, then keep fighting against reasonable change. If you want baseball to come back to the forefront, wake up. Baseball will be a 6 team sport in 40 years if they stay on this track. What town is going to shell out 500 million in tax increases so George and the Yankees can come in to their new park and beat up on their team for another 30 year lease, just to buy another championship for themselves?
Brian sounds like you didnt get enough Daddy time growing up. Maybe baseball is just too complicated for you? It isnt as slow as Golf which you probably love or Tennis your second fav?? Baseball is the true American sport. And if its just old folks then why is Little League baseball the most active youth sport in the country even surpassing your beloved Soccer
Why must you degrade a conversation to playground insults about "daddy time"? Little League baseball is the most popular because there's the everyday american dad who has the "my kid's gonna be the next Jeter so help me god" attitude. Personally, the only sport I would consider myself a die-hard for is Hockey, so whenever you're done jumping to conclusions, maybe a real conversation could surface.
Yes, but how do you create a salary cap that is fair to all teams. Do you create a cap so low that any team can meet it, or do you create a cap that the lower end teams still won't come close to meeting. 1/3 of the teams out there now pocket the tax the higher end teams pay & won't spend it to improve their own team. Look at Florida, the two times they won the World Series, they then had a yard sale & sold off everyone right after. Their is no push for the low end market teams to spend money. If you put a cap in place have both a upper & lower limit. Force the CHEAP teams to pay up to a certain cap level while bringing the higher end teams down.
Dave there are alot of owners that don't want to spend and therefore would be against a cap just as those owners that do spend. The players union would not allow it and even if all sides were to agree there is no prof the fans would still come out. I own season tickets, I have invested the money and if the teams were diluted to a parity level I may not invest in an entire year and just buy single games now and then. Part of my ability to afford season tickets is the ability to resell a good amount of them on the secondary market, I can't go to 81 games but if I was unable to sell off 50 or so games every year no I can't take that chance. I am sure there a lot of people in my position that can afford to buy tickets and support the team because the level of players on the field are a draw.
Every league should take a look at the NFL and how they structure their salary cap. By running it, in this way, it gives every single team an opportunity to play for a championship. For the MLB, look at the salaries, payroll, etc. it is getting way out of hand. you can all thank Mr. Steinbrenner for this!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It isn't all George's fault, did George give $55 million to Albert Belle? Did George give $100 million to Kevin Brown? Did George give $250 million to Alex Rodriquez? ( talking free agent here not retention and lets face reality there is no other team that could afford him now and still stock a 40 man roster) Did George give Jay Bell a lifetime .260 hitter $39 million. Everytime money like this was thrown out there it upped the price tag for other players. It wasn't until last year that the Yankees finally spent big but remember also to retain Jeter, Rivera, Posada, Cano and other top name players they have had over the years the big contracts other teams threw out there drove up the price of their own free agents. It isn't George that drove the market up but a lot of other teams that spent big and then couldn't afford to pay after.
Yes they need a cap but also need a floor. You have teams like Kansas City getting money now and putting it in there pocket not in the team.
Let's cut to the chase. Baseball needs to replace Bud Selig and get someone who functions in the best interest of the game. Selig does not. Just like Congress. It's all about rich folks propping each other up.
agreed 100%! Selig's time is over, and should have been over after his repeated failures in trying to get the steroid scandals under control. He allowed the players union to walk all over him for years, and still has his job. How the fudge did that happen? - It would be like if, say, someone was hired by the President to clean up the Minerals Management Service, did nothing, and then watched as that inattentiveness contributed to one of the biggest oil industry disasters we've ever seen, and still kept his government job. - And that's just ludicrous.
A hard cap is good as long as it comes with a floor cap of, say, $40-45M or so. That way the players still get their cut. That's very important.
Baseball is no longer affordable for the family. Just toured the new super boxes at TArget Field. $23000 annually which is amazing. Standing seats for $20 want to stand with your children in the nosebleed section munching $7 hotdogs and $6 dollar sodas? When did it stop being a family sport? When AROD and friends became Divas. Time to win games on the field and not in the agents office
Where do standing seats cost $20, not in NY upper deck seats start at $20 and bleachers start at $5.00. I have season tickets in NY and even my seats in the second deck are $45.00 a seat not that outrageous either.
You can't blame Arod. If my boss wanted to pay me $27 mil per year, I'd let him and you could call me anything you want. It's the owners who can't control their egos. Plus baseball has the strongest union in sports. They would strike if BB tried to enforce a salary cap and with the millions the players have already been paid, they could lock out for months.
MLB is in major trouble watch KC, FL, Baltimore, and several other teams their stadiums are empty. W/O a cap soon MLB will be a second tier sport........
Look at how many times the NY Yankees have gotten into the post-season playoffs. They spend more money than almost any other team, so of course they have more better players than any other team. I am from New York and I think Major Leaque Baseball is more an indication as to how much money a city can spend, instead of who has the best team. Money is not everything, but, it sure helps out a lot when you can out spend the other teams. If New York has the same salary cap as Pittsburg, or some other city, I am sure it would make the playing field more equal.
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Yes! As much as I love the Phillies and the Red Sox, a cap will bring back the possibility of parity.