If the NCAA has the facts correct then it is the right move. Other schools should be held to the same standard as in the University of Michigan for example.
None of this matters anyway. Take away scholarships? So what, any resident of the state of California has their tuition paid for and 75 of the 98 players listed on USC's 2009 roster were from California! Take away post-season play? So what, the top players in the country have their sights on the NFL! Bowl games and National Championships are just fun speed bumps in between but have little bearing on where a kid is going to school. USC is still one of the top programs in the country to get kids to the NFL. The only true punishment would have been to take USC off TV. Then these kids wouldn't get the exposure they currently will and therefore wouldn't go there. This is a slap on the wrist at best and actually it's more of a farce than anything.
Let's be real, the NCAA is about control, as just about every coach and sportswriter agrees pay the kids a stipend and you will have less issues. The NCAA profits in a major way l(iterally millions) from these kids, and their response is we give them a scholarship, really? if they don't perform under their scholarship guidelines they can lose that so called "free ride." In addition, student-athletes are year round student-athletes, their sports literally never end. Lastly, if you recruit a kid from an impoverished area with no money he is at a huge disadvantage from a kid who comes from a family that can afford to give him money to survive. If you want to stop one side of it stop the more fortunate student-athlete from getting money from his family, equal ground right? But we all know that will never happen! These are professional student athletes, and the NCAA is benefiting from it! It is a joke!
As a former student athlete it is insulting to us as human beings to be treated as cattle, sent to the slaughterhouse for the overwhelming benefit of the Universities. Some will never play pro ball, (me because of torn ACL back in the 70's) but we just love our sports. I got an education true, but I also sacrificed my body for it and for the university, and there are many more who have suffered the same fate. So nothing is free!!! The "Professional Student Athlete" is a slave to the system.
So let me get this straight. A kid who probably couldn't make it into a major college without lowering educational standards, specifically because they can run or jump or throw, is being mistreated by being allowed to go to that school for free?
Man if that's the case sign me up. Either you live by the rules or you don't.
If you want to get a free education don't get into stuff with agents or otherwise. I don't care what kind of money the school makes on these students, they are supposedly getting something much more valuable in return: Education and opportunity.
basedrum - you really think that these freaks are there for an education? Take a look at the graduation rates (across the board - not just at Notre Dame and Stanford) among athletes in major college sports. Then take a look at their curriculum. I've never even heard of most of those "majors."
It seems to me that Bush and Mayo screwed USC!! Besides penalizing the school, they both should be made top repay the value of the scholarship and other expenses incurred. This should be standard in any scholarship offer for athletics! Coach's contracts should also include panalties for violations under their watch! It's hard to believe that the coaches didnt know what was going on! Finally, the NCAA needs to clean up its act!! There ARE no student athletes in the major sports of football and basketball!!
The whole process is completely ridiculous. The athletes are supposed to be financial virgins but the schools make as much money as they can from their athletic ability. Let's stop this great charade. Let them play and get paid. Why not? That is the American way. If you have a talent to sell, then you should be allowed to sell it. This pretense of amateurism is more dishonest then anything the athletes do. Where is the statue of limitations on this alleged petty crime?
The guys who write in with vicious, snarly remarks should get a life. I guess they are all jealous becasue they had no athletic ability themselves.
I agree. The Olympics used to be for amateurs but realized that was a farce. Division I college football and basketball are the minor leagues for the NFL and NBA. All athletes get paid to attend (tuition, room & board, tutoring, etc.). Top athletes pick their colleges to have the best chance to get multi-million dollar pro contracts. The NCAA report was based on pure amateurism in college athletics ... that is a farce since college sports are big business for the colleges and the NCAA. I find it interesting that the NCAA took 4 years to complete their investigation, and yet they expect the colleges to do everything in real time without all the facts. Of course, the NCAA based most of their conclusions on one-sided statements by agents and others who had grudges against the athletes or schools. Very little was verified in any legal sense. The NCAA decided long ago to get USC, so they took so long to collect as much unproven evidence as possible, and then packaged it as "loss of institutional control". I realize that there are some who hate USC because it is such a successful and storied sports program, but the real problem is the NCAA's lack of recognition of the fact that amateurism in big time college sports ended a long time ago just as the Olympics realized this and made adjustments accordingly.
It's about as fair as prosecuting Joe Biden for crimes committed by Dick Cheney. The office remains the same, but the people are all different. The actual perpetrators get a free pass because they moved elsewhere. How is that justice? This just hurts a bunch of kids that had nothing to do with it. Where was the NCAA SIX YEARS ago when they could actually have gotten the right people? Justice delayed is justice denied.
Sorry, while I agree that the NCAA took too long to make their case, your comparison is ridiculously off the mark.
Reggie Bush CHEATED while representing USC, and did so with the full knowledge of USC. If the university is not punished, they have no incentive to stop other cheaters. (Yes, the athletes are impacted by this. They can and should choose to leave USC and play for schools that don't cheat.)
Cheney's WAR CRIMES are his alone. They were sanctioned by GWB (who also committed WAR CRIMES) but not by the USA. Our country is still paying the price for having had Bush/Cheney in office.
I had to laugh at Bush's "great love for USC." I seem to recall that he had great love for Notre Dame when he came out of high school, going so far as to sign a letter of intent.
Then the USC boosters showed up with all that cash.....
Well for one thing they better prove it , this is huge , it effects so many people . They are not only hurting the school but every player that chose USC from freshmen on up , the whole Pac 10 for that matter . USC players are scrambling as we speak to find a way out . They tore up SC's recruiting . its too bad for the kids F— — k USC !
Stripping the games, the Heisman and everything connected to it is TOO LATE. The only ones hurting are the incoming classes. These others have already beaten the battered system made their money and left for greener pastures. An opportunity to hit the guilty offenders financially should be afforded, if one could find a judical body that itself is not biased and corrupt enough to levy an approiate fine to the guilty parties.
I want to know about Carroll, he had to know this was going on and now he's the SeaHawks Head Coach. I don't know about the other SeaHawk fans but I sure don't want a man that knew about corruption in recruiting putting himself up as an example of sportsmanship. What a damn mess. I wonder what Holmgren thinks about this. The front office for Seattle really picked a great head coach, he will inspire alot of confidence. Is he going to be made to answer for all those scholarships that are now lost for what might just be deserving students?
The NCAA needs to be eliminated. I want to see a non profit, volunteer organization. Representives from the schools should run this organization and should have the deciding factor as to whether anything happens. All I see is a organization making money on slave labor with the school paying for the kids (scholarships) and the NCAA. The schools should be in complete control of how this organization runs and thinks. The schools should revolt and tell the NCAA to find its own product and sell it and not exist on the backs of these kids
I what to create and organization in which I have no investment, no product, no nothing and find a group of smucks to put me incharge, pay me money, use there assets, so I can tell them what to do, how to do it, and be happy about it and then fine them if they disagree with me.
What a life the NCAA has. Where can I buy stock!!!!!!!!
The comments above about schools having student athletes. Look harder. If an athlete can't afford to eat, buy books, or whatever the scholarship does not cover someone is helping. If his or her parents can help - great. What if you have an student athlete family doesn't have that support...........he/she is getting it from somewhere. Nice to see Duke and UNC has privileged student athletes.
USC got to the top by buying their players. It goes on everywhere They just didn't hide well. Sorry...booohooo. I think the sanctions need to follow the fleeing coach, where he goes.
Admittedly, I am biased: I do not like Pete (the whiner) Carrol. Pretty coincidental and cowardly how he left town right before the pooh pooh hit the fan. He sabotages the football program, bails on them, then has the nerve to criticize the results from a safe distance. Whine, whine.
About time something happened. I still don't think the NCAA has gone far enough. They should take away their BCS eligibilty status too. Then a deserving team like Boise State can get a fair chance. Don't reward the cheaters. Make them pay
The cheating at USC exposed by the recent investigation has been going on for many years. Bush and Mayo are high profile athletes who were caught; largely because of the arrogance. Pete Carroll claims he knew nothing. He didn't know because he didn't want to know, and that's part of the problem. I doubt that the cheating will stop as long as wealthy alumni and other "super fans" associate their egos with the USC sports programs. Should we be surprised by any of this? Isn't everything in our culture about money, bling, and winning? Why would running a college sports program be different? USC will have no problem buying their way back into competitive relevance. Don't be surprised if their culture doesn't change much and we are reading about another NCAA investigation within several years or sooner.
If the NCAA has the facts correct then it is the right move. Other schools should be held to the same standard as in the University of Michigan for example.
None of this matters anyway. Take away scholarships? So what, any resident of the state of California has their tuition paid for and 75 of the 98 players listed on USC's 2009 roster were from California! Take away post-season play? So what, the top players in the country have their sights on the NFL! Bowl games and National Championships are just fun speed bumps in between but have little bearing on where a kid is going to school. USC is still one of the top programs in the country to get kids to the NFL. The only true punishment would have been to take USC off TV. Then these kids wouldn't get the exposure they currently will and therefore wouldn't go there. This is a slap on the wrist at best and actually it's more of a farce than anything.
Let's be real, the NCAA is about control, as just about every coach and sportswriter agrees pay the kids a stipend and you will have less issues. The NCAA profits in a major way l(iterally millions) from these kids, and their response is we give them a scholarship, really? if they don't perform under their scholarship guidelines they can lose that so called "free ride." In addition, student-athletes are year round student-athletes, their sports literally never end. Lastly, if you recruit a kid from an impoverished area with no money he is at a huge disadvantage from a kid who comes from a family that can afford to give him money to survive. If you want to stop one side of it stop the more fortunate student-athlete from getting money from his family, equal ground right? But we all know that will never happen! These are professional student athletes, and the NCAA is benefiting from it! It is a joke!
As a former student athlete it is insulting to us as human beings to be treated as cattle, sent to the slaughterhouse for the overwhelming benefit of the Universities. Some will never play pro ball, (me because of torn ACL back in the 70's) but we just love our sports. I got an education true, but I also sacrificed my body for it and for the university, and there are many more who have suffered the same fate. So nothing is free!!! The "Professional Student Athlete" is a slave to the system.
So let me get this straight. A kid who probably couldn't make it into a major college without lowering educational standards, specifically because they can run or jump or throw, is being mistreated by being allowed to go to that school for free?
Man if that's the case sign me up. Either you live by the rules or you don't.
If you want to get a free education don't get into stuff with agents or otherwise. I don't care what kind of money the school makes on these students, they are supposedly getting something much more valuable in return: Education and opportunity.
basedrum - you really think that these freaks are there for an education? Take a look at the graduation rates (across the board - not just at Notre Dame and Stanford) among athletes in major college sports. Then take a look at their curriculum. I've never even heard of most of those "majors."
It seems to me that Bush and Mayo screwed USC!! Besides penalizing the school, they both should be made top repay the value of the scholarship and other expenses incurred. This should be standard in any scholarship offer for athletics! Coach's contracts should also include panalties for violations under their watch! It's hard to believe that the coaches didnt know what was going on! Finally, the NCAA needs to clean up its act!! There ARE no student athletes in the major sports of football and basketball!!
Duke has student athletes.
UNC has student athletes.
And where is A.D. Mike Garrett in all of this? And why is he still the A.D. at USC?
The whole process is completely ridiculous. The athletes are supposed to be financial virgins but the schools make as much money as they can from their athletic ability. Let's stop this great charade. Let them play and get paid. Why not? That is the American way. If you have a talent to sell, then you should be allowed to sell it. This pretense of amateurism is more dishonest then anything the athletes do. Where is the statue of limitations on this alleged petty crime?
The guys who write in with vicious, snarly remarks should get a life. I guess they are all jealous becasue they had no athletic ability themselves.
IDK you @!$%#ing Bitch!!!!!!!!!!!
I agree. The Olympics used to be for amateurs but realized that was a farce. Division I college football and basketball are the minor leagues for the NFL and NBA. All athletes get paid to attend (tuition, room & board, tutoring, etc.). Top athletes pick their colleges to have the best chance to get multi-million dollar pro contracts. The NCAA report was based on pure amateurism in college athletics ... that is a farce since college sports are big business for the colleges and the NCAA. I find it interesting that the NCAA took 4 years to complete their investigation, and yet they expect the colleges to do everything in real time without all the facts. Of course, the NCAA based most of their conclusions on one-sided statements by agents and others who had grudges against the athletes or schools. Very little was verified in any legal sense. The NCAA decided long ago to get USC, so they took so long to collect as much unproven evidence as possible, and then packaged it as "loss of institutional control". I realize that there are some who hate USC because it is such a successful and storied sports program, but the real problem is the NCAA's lack of recognition of the fact that amateurism in big time college sports ended a long time ago just as the Olympics realized this and made adjustments accordingly.
It's about as fair as prosecuting Joe Biden for crimes committed by Dick Cheney. The office remains the same, but the people are all different. The actual perpetrators get a free pass because they moved elsewhere. How is that justice? This just hurts a bunch of kids that had nothing to do with it. Where was the NCAA SIX YEARS ago when they could actually have gotten the right people? Justice delayed is justice denied.
Sorry, while I agree that the NCAA took too long to make their case, your comparison is ridiculously off the mark.
Reggie Bush CHEATED while representing USC, and did so with the full knowledge of USC. If the university is not punished, they have no incentive to stop other cheaters. (Yes, the athletes are impacted by this. They can and should choose to leave USC and play for schools that don't cheat.)
Cheney's WAR CRIMES are his alone. They were sanctioned by GWB (who also committed WAR CRIMES) but not by the USA. Our country is still paying the price for having had Bush/Cheney in office.
There, do you see now?
Biden should be prosecuted for being a dumbass!
I had to laugh at Bush's "great love for USC." I seem to recall that he had great love for Notre Dame when he came out of high school, going so far as to sign a letter of intent.
Then the USC boosters showed up with all that cash.....
Well for one thing they better prove it , this is huge , it effects so many people . They are not only hurting the school but every player that chose USC from freshmen on up , the whole Pac 10 for that matter . USC players are scrambling as we speak to find a way out . They tore up SC's recruiting . its too bad for the kids F— — k USC !
Stripping the games, the Heisman and everything connected to it is TOO LATE. The only ones hurting are the incoming classes. These others have already beaten the battered system made their money and left for greener pastures. An opportunity to hit the guilty offenders financially should be afforded, if one could find a judical body that itself is not biased and corrupt enough to levy an approiate fine to the guilty parties.
I want to know about Carroll, he had to know this was going on and now he's the SeaHawks Head Coach. I don't know about the other SeaHawk fans but I sure don't want a man that knew about corruption in recruiting putting himself up as an example of sportsmanship. What a damn mess. I wonder what Holmgren thinks about this. The front office for Seattle really picked a great head coach, he will inspire alot of confidence. Is he going to be made to answer for all those scholarships that are now lost for what might just be deserving students?
The NCAA needs to be eliminated. I want to see a non profit, volunteer organization. Representives from the schools should run this organization and should have the deciding factor as to whether anything happens. All I see is a organization making money on slave labor with the school paying for the kids (scholarships) and the NCAA. The schools should be in complete control of how this organization runs and thinks. The schools should revolt and tell the NCAA to find its own product and sell it and not exist on the backs of these kids
I what to create and organization in which I have no investment, no product, no nothing and find a group of smucks to put me incharge, pay me money, use there assets, so I can tell them what to do, how to do it, and be happy about it and then fine them if they disagree with me.
What a life the NCAA has. Where can I buy stock!!!!!!!!
The comments above about schools having student athletes. Look harder. If an athlete can't afford to eat, buy books, or whatever the scholarship does not cover someone is helping. If his or her parents can help - great. What if you have an student athlete family doesn't have that support...........he/she is getting it from somewhere. Nice to see Duke and UNC has privileged student athletes.
USC got to the top by buying their players. It goes on everywhere They just didn't hide well. Sorry...booohooo. I think the sanctions need to follow the fleeing coach, where he goes.
Admittedly, I am biased: I do not like Pete (the whiner) Carrol. Pretty coincidental and cowardly how he left town right before the pooh pooh hit the fan. He sabotages the football program, bails on them, then has the nerve to criticize the results from a safe distance. Whine, whine.
I acutally think the punishment was too light. Most definitely should have been a tv ban.
Who Fuking Cares
About time something happened. I still don't think the NCAA has gone far enough. They should take away their BCS eligibilty status too. Then a deserving team like Boise State can get a fair chance. Don't reward the cheaters. Make them pay
The cheating at USC exposed by the recent investigation has been going on for many years. Bush and Mayo are high profile athletes who were caught; largely because of the arrogance. Pete Carroll claims he knew nothing. He didn't know because he didn't want to know, and that's part of the problem. I doubt that the cheating will stop as long as wealthy alumni and other "super fans" associate their egos with the USC sports programs. Should we be surprised by any of this? Isn't everything in our culture about money, bling, and winning? Why would running a college sports program be different? USC will have no problem buying their way back into competitive relevance. Don't be surprised if their culture doesn't change much and we are reading about another NCAA investigation within several years or sooner.
Can I get in please.