Of course he should lose them, he needs to be aware of his players' academics. It wouldnt be a college team otherwise. Losing the wins should keep athletes from cheating, too.
#1 - Thu Jun 18, 2009 1:30 PM EDTSounds like the "Country Boy Preacher" is just as big a liar and cheat as the Baptists Ministers he's in bed with down south.
#2 - Thu Jun 18, 2009 1:51 PM EDTYour opinion of Bowden is pretty pathetic & sad but you are entitled to it. I smell a Gator.......
If you think Bowden is a liar and a cheat than you clearly don't know him very well.
Anyway, Bowden definitely isn't to blame for the cheating and shouldn't be punished by losing any wins. I feel even worse for the players and staff that are innocent in all of this. They worked & played their best to win those games and they may end up getting shafted too. Bobby sets a good example for his players in everything he does and yet they chose to screw up anyway, by their own choice. They should forfeit scholarships but not wins.
I agree with you Hawks, even though I'm a Gator. Bowden is a fine man and coach, and would never have condoned this if he knew. Unfortunately, a lot of innocent people get punished because of a guilty few. That's the way it is with team sports.
No wonder I stopped trusting "Evangel" ministers!!!
($$$ is the only bottom line they care about - while talking out the other side of their face)
#3 - Thu Jun 18, 2009 1:53 PM EDTThis is sad that it has come to this. Mr Bowden has had a great career, bringing out the best in athletes and students over many years. Now in the final years as a coach,he has to endour this.
a Penn State fan.
#4 - Thu Jun 18, 2009 1:55 PM EDTMike
Mush-mouth Bowden has been a crook for years- he takes criminals because they can run a 4.3 40- cops have chased them so often they became very fast. He took players he shouldn't have so it's only right that he is also penalized. He shouldn't even be close to JoePa- Bowden is counting wins he got at a level II school.
This is the most hilarious post ever............Ignorance is bliss isn't it JimC?
One thing i like to know. How would they know the players cheating on a online class? Did one of the players party to much and open his mouth? it is odd to me.
#6 - Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:20 PM EDTI don't think any coach should be penalized for the stupidity of their players.
#7 - Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:21 PM EDTThen why reward a coach because of the players? If the buck doesn't stop with the head coach, then there will never be real accountability. This isn't just about penalizing FSU -- which the NCAA is, in my opinion, correct to do -- but rather it's also about ensuring other coaches understand the consequences for failing to ensure that their kids play by the rules.
Moreover, the silver lining here is that all of the affected student-athletes -- the guilty and innocent alike -- are learning valuable lessons about accountability, teamwork, and the impact one's decision making can have on other people, even if the impact was never intended or anticipated.
I applaud the NCAA for helping to teach valuable lessons that will prove far more valuable to these players than a few Ws on some old stat sheet.
So "the innocent and guilty alike are learning valuable lessons about accountability" huh? That's really brilliant! Let punish the innocent too! Talk about "whatabuncha"........
My question, how do you cheat on an online test when the questions can be posted on any one of many services that would give the answers?
#8 - Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:22 PM EDTUnless they can prove beyond a doubt that Coach Bowden was aware of what was going on they should not remove the wins.
#9 - Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:29 PM EDTStep 1 - Cheating occurs (by a couple of stupid young teaching assistants and without any knowledge or assistance from anyone associated with athletics). Step 2 - Victories occur. Step 3 - School becomes aware and notifies NCAA. Step 4 - School investigates and keeps NCAA informed. Step 5 - School penalizes itself (costing more victories). This has been proven to simply be the independent act of a couple of stupid teaching assistants. What else could the NCAA hope for (other than find a way to test if assistants are going to help students (athletes or not) cheat. For those who believe Bowden is a cheater/liar, you obviously don't know the man. He coaches to win, but he does not cheat.
#10 - Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:38 PM EDTI find that the NCAA has taken this vendetta upon themselves to assure that the great PSU coach wins the most victories race. I have never seen a school lose victories in any sport to support their attempt to justify their punishment proposal and find that someone should do to them what they are trying to do to Coach Bowden. I admire him for his ability to control his players and have the great teams he has had and in no means does he or FSU deserve this type of punishment. I do agree that the loss of the scholarships and the players for the games missed should be the only type of admonishment that should be meted.
#11 - Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:41 PM EDTLook... why don't we just admit that college sports isn't what it was in the 1960's (yes... I'm 62 so I do remember when there truly were student athletes). They actually graduated. Why don't we just call it like it is... let them all get paid.... let them quit after 2 years to turn pro if the sports they are in have pro franchises... and make them pay the university back on a 2x basis.... Heck many of them get million dollar signing bonuses anyway...
#12 - Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:44 PM EDTok so cheating is wrong we all know that, but it was not done on the football field. (like the patroits) FSU should keep the wins. How do you cheat in music anyway???
#13 - Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:45 PM EDTThe coach was not involved, take the wins off the school but not the COACH that had nothing to do with it, the NCAA is a corrupt organization
#14 - Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:59 PM EDTIf Alabama loses wins due to players using scholorship money to buying books for friends, FSU should lose their wins for cheating on tests.
~Pitt Fan
#15 - Thu Jun 18, 2009 3:04 PM EDTLet's see, 61 online cheaters who are given answers to exams by staffers and having papers written by staffers and Bowden does not know this. If that is the case then he is not coaching and NCAA should take all his wins away. By the way, with 41 football players being arrested at Penn State since 2001, Joe Pa is not a whole lot better
#16 - Thu Jun 18, 2009 3:07 PM EDTBowden is a God fearing man and did not and does not promote cheating. The NCAA has gone overboard on this one.
#17 - Thu Jun 18, 2009 3:18 PM EDTOne fact that wasn't reported was that the school (FSU) did an internal investigation first, when the allegations surfaced in the media. They turned over the results of their investigation to the NCAA. One would hope, that the good faith effort to disclose and the proactive action of suspending offending players at the time of the discovery, might have mitigated the NCAA's response toward Coach Bowden.
Sometimes I think the NCAA has to justify its own existence.
#18 - Thu Jun 18, 2009 3:27 PM EDTAny ncaa school whose atheletes cheat or have cheated in academics, deserves tough punishment.
So go after all the other college and university programs(I'd bet many of their athletes can't pass an 8th grade math test) and kick some ass; start with Florida and USC and continue with all the rest.
#19 - Thu Jun 18, 2009 3:29 PM EDTPenalize the players involved, revoke the scholarships and kick them out of school but don't punish the entire school for their poor choices.
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Bowden has been cheating for the last 30 years.