HOLMES' RIGHT FOOT NEVER TOUCHED! The photo on the SI.com front page clearly shows that Santonio Holmes' right foot is obstructed from the field by his left foot. There was one replay shot down the sideline that clearly showed that his right foot never made contact until after his hand contacted the ground out of bounds! The officiating was lousy against the Cardinals all game long. The face mask call was especially egregious! There was no grab and there was no head turn associated with it. Nonetheless, except for Warner's boneheaded interception at the end of the first half, none of this woulda mattered. Take a knee Kurt, run a sneak, take a sack and you're in the HOF.
All I hear is a bunch of whining Cardinal fans who are making excuses for their team's loss. The only thing the Cardinals had to do was play defense for 2 minutes and they didn't. Don't blame the officials or the Steelers, blame your defense.
Yeah, when I see people saying Holmes's feet did not touch when they showed it a million times and everyone clearly saw that they did, I realize some haters will just make stuff up because they are so bitter over their team losing and that's all they can do about it.
This Harrison is a punk along with the rest of his team members. I have never seen so many cheap, gutless hits by ANY team in the NFL. No review? No ejection? Refs were definitely Squealer fans. Can't Pittsburg win anything that isn't questionable? If Whitwork and Henderson were ejected in Cincinnati because Henderson tried to take out Whit's eyeballs AND fined (along with the team for trying to break it up) PLEASE tell me why Harrison wasn't out of that stadium immediately? I'll tell you...it's Pittsburgh and they can get away with it.
I watched football with my father from the time I could set up on my own. It was our time together. I was a Cleveland Brown's fan until Jim Brown retired. One thing I learned from my father was the best way to repect your team's effort on the field was not to blame a win or loss on one play or on the referees. He said this because referees are not God-they make mistakes and when you look at a game as a whole- there are dozens of little things that could have turned the tied.
I watched every Super Bowl, from back when we didn't have replays or reviews until this last one. It was the best Super Bowl in years. I really hope that your son's or daughters do not read your comments here and that you are not saying these things infront of them. Saying someone cheated when your team loses does not make you a fan. Appreciating a good game in which both teams played hard makes you a true fan. Congratulations to both teams. I don't know how many more Super Bowls I will live to see, but I sure enjoyed this one!
I thought both teams played a great game. Right to the end I wasn't sure who would prevail and that makes for an exciting game to watch. It's possible that some calls were bad or missed but I would imagine that even with several refs on the field it's hard to see everything. I didn't see deliberate bias on the part of the refs as both teams were penalized, one of which even resulted in the loss of a touchdown. I did see a lot of testosterone between both teams. I would imagine all that adrenaline and endorphins is bound to cause a little battle of wills on the field here and there. I did believe that Harrison's behavior was unsportsmanlike and, as a Steeler's fan, I was disappointed. That behavior really did diminish that great 100 yard dash.
I'm amused that after every superbowl, someone always claims the refs were paid off or that their calls were biased or that the "other team" cheated. I don't want the Steelers, the Cardinals, or the Refs telling me how to manage my office so I believe I'll keep my mouth shut when it comes to telling them how to play, coach, or officiate football.
I will say that both teams played a great game and if the Cardinals had won, I'd have to congratulate them because right up until the end, it looked like they very well might run away with that trophy. I think they proved that they have the stuff to make it back into a Superbowl and I'd be willing to bet that none of the other teams is quick to misjudge that they are a contender after this game. I hope to see them back next year, along with the Steelers, of course.
there is not a single left tackle in the league that can block harrison one on one....Gandy only had 3 holding calls. If you want to count every hold that was not flagged against Gandy, the Cards would have had 200 penalty yards minimum
there is a penalty on Every single play in any football game regardless of the level
There is a youtube video that shows harrisons cheap shot being, an open palm pushing a DB back on the ground....and an open palm on the back of his shoulder pads pushing him to the ground to finish a block
what about Ike Taylors personal foul? Aside from the fact that it was a sketchy call almost assuredly making up for a rash of personal fouls against the Cards, Edge James came off the sideline and threw 2 or 3 punches at Ike Taylor
lol....i am just laughing how i read a few comments about how the steelers offensive line must have been holding to allow ben to run around.....have you watched steelers games all year long?! oh no????!!!! really, well thats quite clear!! he is running all around because the OL for the steelers is horrible and he has to run around or he will be sacked! and second of all....did you see how many tackles he broke out of?! cardinals were all over him!!!!!!!! so clearly no holding going on there either...not gonna say it didnt happen at all..but to hear people say it happened all game long!!!! LMAO...if the OL were holding so well...why on earthy was ben running for his life on almost every offensive play?!
its pittsburgh and they can get away with it? hmm...im not even a steelers fans...have tons of friends who are but im not....all of a sudden the steelers can get away with things in the superbowl...people on here are acting like steelers are dirtiests players in the NFL and have been paying refs off for years to win superbowls.....before 2005, it was how long that the steelers went without winning a superbowl????? man..rooneys must have struck it rich in 2000 and finally were able to pay off the refs...because for 30 years prior.....what was going on?
Gang...I am 60 years old...seen ALL the Super Bowls and watched countless football games. The game was a thriller in the 4th...I thought that the Cards had done it...But I gotta give it to Big Ben...great comeback...Congrats to the Steelers....
However, I have to side with some of the criticisms concerning "calls" and "NO calls"...Most of the calls were legit...However, James Harrison's "muggin" was a horrible and classless act...a few years back, there was a player who stomped another player in the NFL...where is he now? Not to mention the dismissal of Vicks' brother for the same kind of behavior in College. James should have been ejected...many of you are saying the Steelers won the game, as is obvious in the score...that is true....so the same thing can be said for Brother James....his act that he committed is in the same reference... he was obvious in his act of disgraceful professionalism... It was a blatant act and it was wrong not to have ejected him!
And, my God!...I must ask..."What exactly is "clipping"? I thought I knew! Did everybody see the clip that occurred in front of the 100 yd return? Please don't me that was not a clip? You are a prejudiced idiot if you say that! I have no earthly idea WHY that was NOT called? If there is someone out there who can explain why it was NOT called (other than it was not a clip), please respond and let (at least; me) know what the heck that was.
Finally, I remember the Oakland - Pats game that ended on Oakland getting screwed out of a game ending fumble in New England...The call made then is exactly opposite of the one made last night...I will tell you one thing...if that was NOT a fumble in New England, then most certainly this was NOT a fumble in Tampa...I challenge any of you (regardless of team loyalty) to LOOK at these three instances that ALTERED the outcome of the game...
I must also agree that the coverage of the game was a disgraceful and pathetic attempt at Sports journalism! I am quite sure that all you Steeler fans are going to say that I am just a poor loser, but I do not nor did not favor either team. I have my team and they were NOT there. So, I just wanted to watch a good Super Bowl. What I got was a poorly covered, poorly officiated , and a wanton disregard for fan enjoyment and a sense of fairness in this years' rendition of the final game....
The "incomplete pass" at the end of the game is a non-event. The real question is why was Warner in the pocket so long trying to find a receiver downfield in the first place? The reason was his passing options in the end zone or to the sidelines were so obvious the Steelers defenders had Fitzgerald et al completely smothered. His only option was a pass in the middle that wouldn't have made it to the sidelines or the endzone, meaning time would have expired. Bottom line, the Cards had a brilliant Q4 but simply had run out of time.
holmes' catch (yes, it was a catch . . . there are photos out there that clearly show both feet touching the ground with him in possession, even if you couldn't definitively tell on tv) was reviewed. i'm sure the warner fumble was also reviewed, even if nbc didn't show the ref under the hood or making the announcement.
speaking of incomplete catches and blown calls, how about fitzgerald's first td when he had the ball trapped against his body without control and the entire front half of the ball touched the ground? i can't believe tomlin didn't challenge that.
This game was great being played by the players and the strategy provided by each coaching staff. As a future referee for our beloved NFL I must say that....tisk tisk....this was a poorly officiated game, we as up and coming officials are held at a high standard and are often warned against putting the outcome of the game on a tiny yellow cloth or having the outcome decided by a bunch of weird calls. This game was weird, now there is no way and i mean no way that anyone can say that the cardinals would have won the game all I am saying is that let the players PLAY THE GAME THAT WE KNOW AND LOVE!!! I hate when an official abuses power. A simple replay at the end of the game would eliminate 85% of the forums we are having discussions. Hats off to the Steelers and their 6th superbowl win but man the officials should be fired instantly and not protected. Endzone dance 15 yard penalty, 6 holding calls vs lol 2 on the steelers and 4 holding calls of the 6 on the cards came during a time when the cards were pushing the steelers back and making big moves tisk tisk. late hit on big ben was bogus, Kurt was getting hit the same way so be fair and call it the same for both teams. Mr #92 his name disgust me, according to the rule book that I am looking at now, after that crazy beat you when you are already down, he should have been ejected along with that 15 yard penalty. But hey the steelers still would have won the game. But after that nice TD by S. Holmes, the cards should have had 15 extra yards due to according to the rule book i have in front of me ANY ENDZONE CELEBRATION CAUSING A DELAY OF GAME OR DANCING OF ANY SORT IS AN AUTOMATIC 15 YARD PENALTY ASSESSED ON THE KICKOFF. and had they reviewed the no call on kurts possible and i mean possible incomplete pass, due to mr. steeler guy taking his helmet off thats another 15 yards with the incomplete pass. throw in the numbers and you've got 1st and 10 on the steeler 14 with 11 seconds left to play. and that was just the run down on this drive. WE DONT WANT TO TALK ABOUT OTHER DRIVES THAT WERE WEIRD AND DECIDED BY OUR OLD OFFICIALS. But dont worry change will come for our officials. But as for now. SORRY CARDS, AND CONGRATS TO THE STEELERS.
your hypothetical series of events leading to a 1st & 10 on the steeler 14 with 11 seconds less is ridiculous. had holmes been penalized (which i agree he could have been . . . i don't think the officials saw it because it happened so long after the end of the play) and 15 yards assessed on the kickoff it would have resulted in an entirely different series of events. none of the plays that followed would have happened the same way. maybe the cardinals returner fumbles a squib kick. maybe he runs it back for a td. maybe on the first play after that warner throws another interception. maybe. maybe. maybe.
You're right. It was the last play. The only play left was a hail-mary into the end zone. That was an incomplete pass just like the Rothle.. touchdown that was called back (very very close)
Football was fun before instant replay and all of those thousands of TV cameras. Two announcers is plenty and three is too many. Whenever the camera is on the officials instead of the players, you know that the game is in trouble. When I was umping baseball,I was told the the ump should never be a part of the game. The way that football is designed to be played there could be a holding penalty on every play.This game is brutal and should not be compared to Tennis.
All you haters are pathetic. Still living in your Moms basement boo hooing about anything you can since your hotwheel track won't stay together!!!!
I recorded the game, watched it 10 times......almost every play your pitiful Cards were holding either James Harrison or Lamar Woodley and there were no calls on 90% of them. Your geritol popping QB would have been massacred so shut, take the loss and grow up!! We'd kick you a** in a rematch anyday!!!!
You people who complain about the officiating are pathetic at best. I was watching the NFL replay a couple of days ago...the head of officiating (Rivera) for the NFL states on a voiceover while the last snap is FUMBLED that the play WAS, in fact, reviewed by the person in the booth and was deemed a fumble. There was no need at that point to send it back down to the field as it was conclusively reviewed without having to confer with the refs. That being said, the holding penalty in the end zone resulting in the safety was questionable at best and you don't hear Steeler fans whining about it. Have you heard us whining about the fact that Harrison was perpetually held repeatedly all year despite putting up the defensive performance that he did this season (if you don't believe it go ahead and watch a replay of the SB...Harrison is obviously held many more times than was called)? Besides, if your Cardinals got so JAMMED by the refs like you say, why didn't you guys just score enough points that you would have won the damn game despite the poor calls?!?! Every time the Steelers win someone is inevitably going to b!tch about the refs...poor losers...grow up for Pete sake!
I would hate to watch a game with you. you're the type that would want to review EVERY Play! Instant reply was meant to be used on contraversial plays. It has gotten to the point where people expect EVERY play to be reviewed. The play you are questioning was clearly a fumble. The ball was knocked loose BEFORE he could throw it. How can you tell me he was in control of the ball if he couldnt even get the pass back to the line of scrimmage? Wake up and quit whinning.
HOLMES' RIGHT FOOT NEVER TOUCHED! The photo on the SI.com front page clearly shows that Santonio Holmes' right foot is obstructed from the field by his left foot. There was one replay shot down the sideline that clearly showed that his right foot never made contact until after his hand contacted the ground out of bounds! The officiating was lousy against the Cardinals all game long. The face mask call was especially egregious! There was no grab and there was no head turn associated with it. Nonetheless, except for Warner's boneheaded interception at the end of the first half, none of this woulda mattered. Take a knee Kurt, run a sneak, take a sack and you're in the HOF.
All I hear is a bunch of whining Cardinal fans who are making excuses for their team's loss. The only thing the Cardinals had to do was play defense for 2 minutes and they didn't. Don't blame the officials or the Steelers, blame your defense.
Yeah, when I see people saying Holmes's feet did not touch when they showed it a million times and everyone clearly saw that they did, I realize some haters will just make stuff up because they are so bitter over their team losing and that's all they can do about it.
Yes, there is no question that it was a touchdown, even the people whining about bad calls agreed on that.
This Harrison is a punk along with the rest of his team members. I have never seen so many cheap, gutless hits by ANY team in the NFL. No review? No ejection? Refs were definitely Squealer fans. Can't Pittsburg win anything that isn't questionable? If Whitwork and Henderson were ejected in Cincinnati because Henderson tried to take out Whit's eyeballs AND fined (along with the team for trying to break it up) PLEASE tell me why Harrison wasn't out of that stadium immediately? I'll tell you...it's Pittsburgh and they can get away with it.
I watched football with my father from the time I could set up on my own. It was our time together. I was a Cleveland Brown's fan until Jim Brown retired. One thing I learned from my father was the best way to repect your team's effort on the field was not to blame a win or loss on one play or on the referees. He said this because referees are not God-they make mistakes and when you look at a game as a whole- there are dozens of little things that could have turned the tied.
I watched every Super Bowl, from back when we didn't have replays or reviews until this last one. It was the best Super Bowl in years. I really hope that your son's or daughters do not read your comments here and that you are not saying these things infront of them. Saying someone cheated when your team loses does not make you a fan. Appreciating a good game in which both teams played hard makes you a true fan. Congratulations to both teams. I don't know how many more Super Bowls I will live to see, but I sure enjoyed this one!
I thought both teams played a great game. Right to the end I wasn't sure who would prevail and that makes for an exciting game to watch. It's possible that some calls were bad or missed but I would imagine that even with several refs on the field it's hard to see everything. I didn't see deliberate bias on the part of the refs as both teams were penalized, one of which even resulted in the loss of a touchdown. I did see a lot of testosterone between both teams. I would imagine all that adrenaline and endorphins is bound to cause a little battle of wills on the field here and there. I did believe that Harrison's behavior was unsportsmanlike and, as a Steeler's fan, I was disappointed. That behavior really did diminish that great 100 yard dash.
I'm amused that after every superbowl, someone always claims the refs were paid off or that their calls were biased or that the "other team" cheated. I don't want the Steelers, the Cardinals, or the Refs telling me how to manage my office so I believe I'll keep my mouth shut when it comes to telling them how to play, coach, or officiate football.
I will say that both teams played a great game and if the Cardinals had won, I'd have to congratulate them because right up until the end, it looked like they very well might run away with that trophy. I think they proved that they have the stuff to make it back into a Superbowl and I'd be willing to bet that none of the other teams is quick to misjudge that they are a contender after this game. I hope to see them back next year, along with the Steelers, of course.
there is not a single left tackle in the league that can block harrison one on one....Gandy only had 3 holding calls. If you want to count every hold that was not flagged against Gandy, the Cards would have had 200 penalty yards minimum
there is a penalty on Every single play in any football game regardless of the level
There is a youtube video that shows harrisons cheap shot being, an open palm pushing a DB back on the ground....and an open palm on the back of his shoulder pads pushing him to the ground to finish a block
what about Ike Taylors personal foul? Aside from the fact that it was a sketchy call almost assuredly making up for a rash of personal fouls against the Cards, Edge James came off the sideline and threw 2 or 3 punches at Ike Taylor
lol....i am just laughing how i read a few comments about how the steelers offensive line must have been holding to allow ben to run around.....have you watched steelers games all year long?! oh no????!!!! really, well thats quite clear!! he is running all around because the OL for the steelers is horrible and he has to run around or he will be sacked! and second of all....did you see how many tackles he broke out of?! cardinals were all over him!!!!!!!! so clearly no holding going on there either...not gonna say it didnt happen at all..but to hear people say it happened all game long!!!! LMAO...if the OL were holding so well...why on earthy was ben running for his life on almost every offensive play?!
its pittsburgh and they can get away with it? hmm...im not even a steelers fans...have tons of friends who are but im not....all of a sudden the steelers can get away with things in the superbowl...people on here are acting like steelers are dirtiests players in the NFL and have been paying refs off for years to win superbowls.....before 2005, it was how long that the steelers went without winning a superbowl????? man..rooneys must have struck it rich in 2000 and finally were able to pay off the refs...because for 30 years prior.....what was going on?
WAWAWAWAWA
a) To the Seahawk fans that cannot get over it;
b) To the Cardinal fans that think they were wronged - should have kept up with the no huddle and should have tried to use Fitzgerald before they did;
c) To all the non fans that simply need a place to vent for something.
Pittsburgh 27 - Arizona 23
end of story
Gang...I am 60 years old...seen ALL the Super Bowls and watched countless football games. The game was a thriller in the 4th...I thought that the Cards had done it...But I gotta give it to Big Ben...great comeback...Congrats to the Steelers....
However, I have to side with some of the criticisms concerning "calls" and "NO calls"...Most of the calls were legit...However, James Harrison's "muggin" was a horrible and classless act...a few years back, there was a player who stomped another player in the NFL...where is he now? Not to mention the dismissal of Vicks' brother for the same kind of behavior in College. James should have been ejected...many of you are saying the Steelers won the game, as is obvious in the score...that is true....so the same thing can be said for Brother James....his act that he committed is in the same reference... he was obvious in his act of disgraceful professionalism... It was a blatant act and it was wrong not to have ejected him!
And, my God!...I must ask..."What exactly is "clipping"? I thought I knew! Did everybody see the clip that occurred in front of the 100 yd return? Please don't me that was not a clip? You are a prejudiced idiot if you say that! I have no earthly idea WHY that was NOT called? If there is someone out there who can explain why it was NOT called (other than it was not a clip), please respond and let (at least; me) know what the heck that was.
Finally, I remember the Oakland - Pats game that ended on Oakland getting screwed out of a game ending fumble in New England...The call made then is exactly opposite of the one made last night...I will tell you one thing...if that was NOT a fumble in New England, then most certainly this was NOT a fumble in Tampa...I challenge any of you (regardless of team loyalty) to LOOK at these three instances that ALTERED the outcome of the game...
I must also agree that the coverage of the game was a disgraceful and pathetic attempt at Sports journalism! I am quite sure that all you Steeler fans are going to say that I am just a poor loser, but I do not nor did not favor either team. I have my team and they were NOT there. So, I just wanted to watch a good Super Bowl. What I got was a poorly covered, poorly officiated , and a wanton disregard for fan enjoyment and a sense of fairness in this years' rendition of the final game....
SO Much for Super Bowl 2009
The "incomplete pass" at the end of the game is a non-event. The real question is why was Warner in the pocket so long trying to find a receiver downfield in the first place? The reason was his passing options in the end zone or to the sidelines were so obvious the Steelers defenders had Fitzgerald et al completely smothered. His only option was a pass in the middle that wouldn't have made it to the sidelines or the endzone, meaning time would have expired. Bottom line, the Cards had a brilliant Q4 but simply had run out of time.
holmes' catch (yes, it was a catch . . . there are photos out there that clearly show both feet touching the ground with him in possession, even if you couldn't definitively tell on tv) was reviewed. i'm sure the warner fumble was also reviewed, even if nbc didn't show the ref under the hood or making the announcement.
speaking of incomplete catches and blown calls, how about fitzgerald's first td when he had the ball trapped against his body without control and the entire front half of the ball touched the ground? i can't believe tomlin didn't challenge that.
This game was great being played by the players and the strategy provided by each coaching staff. As a future referee for our beloved NFL I must say that....tisk tisk....this was a poorly officiated game, we as up and coming officials are held at a high standard and are often warned against putting the outcome of the game on a tiny yellow cloth or having the outcome decided by a bunch of weird calls. This game was weird, now there is no way and i mean no way that anyone can say that the cardinals would have won the game all I am saying is that let the players PLAY THE GAME THAT WE KNOW AND LOVE!!! I hate when an official abuses power. A simple replay at the end of the game would eliminate 85% of the forums we are having discussions. Hats off to the Steelers and their 6th superbowl win but man the officials should be fired instantly and not protected. Endzone dance 15 yard penalty, 6 holding calls vs lol 2 on the steelers and 4 holding calls of the 6 on the cards came during a time when the cards were pushing the steelers back and making big moves tisk tisk. late hit on big ben was bogus, Kurt was getting hit the same way so be fair and call it the same for both teams. Mr #92 his name disgust me, according to the rule book that I am looking at now, after that crazy beat you when you are already down, he should have been ejected along with that 15 yard penalty. But hey the steelers still would have won the game. But after that nice TD by S. Holmes, the cards should have had 15 extra yards due to according to the rule book i have in front of me ANY ENDZONE CELEBRATION CAUSING A DELAY OF GAME OR DANCING OF ANY SORT IS AN AUTOMATIC 15 YARD PENALTY ASSESSED ON THE KICKOFF. and had they reviewed the no call on kurts possible and i mean possible incomplete pass, due to mr. steeler guy taking his helmet off thats another 15 yards with the incomplete pass. throw in the numbers and you've got 1st and 10 on the steeler 14 with 11 seconds left to play. and that was just the run down on this drive. WE DONT WANT TO TALK ABOUT OTHER DRIVES THAT WERE WEIRD AND DECIDED BY OUR OLD OFFICIALS. But dont worry change will come for our officials. But as for now. SORRY CARDS, AND CONGRATS TO THE STEELERS.
your hypothetical series of events leading to a 1st & 10 on the steeler 14 with 11 seconds less is ridiculous. had holmes been penalized (which i agree he could have been . . . i don't think the officials saw it because it happened so long after the end of the play) and 15 yards assessed on the kickoff it would have resulted in an entirely different series of events. none of the plays that followed would have happened the same way. maybe the cardinals returner fumbles a squib kick. maybe he runs it back for a td. maybe on the first play after that warner throws another interception. maybe. maybe. maybe.
You're right. It was the last play. The only play left was a hail-mary into the end zone. That was an incomplete pass just like the Rothle.. touchdown that was called back (very very close)
Football was fun before instant replay and all of those thousands of TV cameras. Two announcers is plenty and three is too many. Whenever the camera is on the officials instead of the players, you know that the game is in trouble. When I was umping baseball,I was told the the ump should never be a part of the game. The way that football is designed to be played there could be a holding penalty on every play.This game is brutal and should not be compared to Tennis.
All you haters are pathetic. Still living in your Moms basement boo hooing about anything you can since your hotwheel track won't stay together!!!!
I recorded the game, watched it 10 times......almost every play your pitiful Cards were holding either James Harrison or Lamar Woodley and there were no calls on 90% of them. Your geritol popping QB would have been massacred so shut, take the loss and grow up!! We'd kick you a** in a rematch anyday!!!!
You people who complain about the officiating are pathetic at best. I was watching the NFL replay a couple of days ago...the head of officiating (Rivera) for the NFL states on a voiceover while the last snap is FUMBLED that the play WAS, in fact, reviewed by the person in the booth and was deemed a fumble. There was no need at that point to send it back down to the field as it was conclusively reviewed without having to confer with the refs. That being said, the holding penalty in the end zone resulting in the safety was questionable at best and you don't hear Steeler fans whining about it. Have you heard us whining about the fact that Harrison was perpetually held repeatedly all year despite putting up the defensive performance that he did this season (if you don't believe it go ahead and watch a replay of the SB...Harrison is obviously held many more times than was called)? Besides, if your Cardinals got so JAMMED by the refs like you say, why didn't you guys just score enough points that you would have won the damn game despite the poor calls?!?! Every time the Steelers win someone is inevitably going to b!tch about the refs...poor losers...grow up for Pete sake!
What? I'm sorry Cardinal fans, I can't hear what you're whining over all the noise from our victory parade.
I would hate to watch a game with you. you're the type that would want to review EVERY Play! Instant reply was meant to be used on contraversial plays. It has gotten to the point where people expect EVERY play to be reviewed. The play you are questioning was clearly a fumble. The ball was knocked loose BEFORE he could throw it. How can you tell me he was in control of the ball if he couldnt even get the pass back to the line of scrimmage? Wake up and quit whinning.